Towards an agreement for the name «Macedonia of Vardar»

Towards an agreement for the name «Macedonia of Vardar»

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Greece and FYROM are close to an agreement on the name “Republic of Macedonia of Vardar” under the pressing intervention of the US and the EU. This name covers the Greek request with regards to the geographical designation, whist it is widely used from the citizens of the neighbouring country within the framework of differentiation from Macedonia of the Aegean (Greece) and Macedonia of Pirin (Bulgaria). Moreover, one year ago the council of the President of FYROM, Risto Nikovski had publicly expressed his support for the name “Republic of Macedonia” (Vardar). In this light the writing of the name gains particular importance.The use of geographical areas or districts as a part of the official name was repeatedly found on the negotiating table, as stated to Kathimerini by a well informed western diplomatic source, listing the initiative of George Papandreou as a definitive factor towards the course for the resolution of the issue, to initiate direct meetings with Nikola Gruevsky, which in his own words “broke the ice”, adding that, “the moves that Mr. Papandreou made had a great symbolic value. Suddenly your neighbours didn’t feel excluded or humiliated”. The frequent contacts between Mr. Droutsas and Milososki were moving towards the same direction.

  • Mariamkd

    Only the Republic of Macedonia is acceptable Greece’s demands are not acceptable and thank you very much we don’t needs godfathers and someone to tell us who we are and what to be named.
    Demanding a name change of another is not only unprecedented; it is chauvinistic! This kind of behaviour is unacceptable! That is why there are international laws in place to protect countries like Macedonia from countries like Greece! Unfortunately, Macedonian authorities, to this day, have not made use of such laws. They have chosen the “negotiating way” instead, which is unacceptable and will NEVER yield satisfactory results, only capitulation for the Macedonian side.

  • TeChuva

    dream about northern or vardar macedonia

  • Zharko

    Greeks please grow up!
    It is immature that a whole nation is convinced that other nation is “trying” to steel **their** name (what is your name greece or macedonia? do you have 10 names?).
    Have you ever managed to convince anyone smart in your story?
    Have you ever tried to listen to what bull-ship you are actually saying?

    To Macedonians: Don’t fall to greek level, don’t argue with greek idiots and don’t use offensive words, keep it calm and the rest of the world will learn about the greek stupidity, we have the truth they have the power, it is matter of time we will win

  • Ploutarchos

    @Zharko
    Your statement doesn’t make any sense: “Are you Greek or Macedonian” I am Greek from Macedonia(Greek is my ethnic background, Macedonia is my home), no we don’t have 10 names, we have a region that has identified itself as Greek for over 2,000 years, and no matter all the historical evidence that proves it, you “New” Macedonians want it for yourselves. In the same time many Greeks understand you have the right to call yourselves what you like, but denying the HARD facts that this land was for centuries a Greek hub is ridiculous. The ancient and medieval Macedonians always spoke Greek and identified as Greek. Up until the Ottoman conquest only a small part of your land was part of modern day’s Macedonian borders. The names you call your cities are either Slavic or Turkified Greek Cities (Solun, Florun, Kostur).
    Besides fragment evidence you guys bring forward, all substantial evidence points that you are wrong in denying Greeks their rightful ownership of the Macedonian name.
    Greeks would have had no problem sharing the history, but we cannot when you want it for yourselves. You need to agree the obvious, that you all are either Greek, South Slavic or Albanian. There is no separate ethnic group called Macedonian, the’re never was. Albanians are the oldest in the Balkans, then the Greeks, and later the south Slavs.
    P.S: If you do even some small research (and not from your country’s propaganda websites) you’ll see that not more than 120 years ago your people identified as Bulgarians, Greeks or Serbs, this goes for your great great grandfather who probably fought alongside the Greeks for Independence.

  • Aminta

    The Question remains: Will the Greece and Bulgaria also agree to re-name their parts of Macedonia with Geographical >>Aegean<>Pirin<< designation?

  • Stan

    As long as the group of people who speak a Bulgarian-Slav dialect try and attempt to adopt Hellenic history and re-write the history books, the real Macedonians (not FYROM) and the rest of Greece (Thracians, Peloponians, Cretans, Spartans, Dodecanesians) will veto you out of Europe and NATO. If you don’t have any clothes don’t steal ours.

  • Jayson Sommers

    That’s pretty despicable that you Slavs are stealing Greece’s Northern region’s name, culture and history. The vast majority of historians and archeologists are on side with Greece with this issue. You people should be ashamed of yourselves not just for your cultural theft but how ungrateful you are as a people to the Greeks, especially the Macedonian variety, who fought hard to liberate the Balkans from Turkish occupation not to mention the fact that Greeks, especially the Macedonian variety, gave you what little culture you have such as your alphabet. This is over and above the disgusting behaviour you so called slavic-“macedonians” exhibited on Greeks, especially the Macedonian variety, during world war two when you proudly fought with the Axis against the Greeks and your sickening child abductions of Greek children for the crime of being real Macedonians. Truly heinous and despicable by every measure.

  • GR_DNA

    Ever since WWII and 1991, you …stubborn SLAVS just won’t stop!!!!!!!!! Just because ONE specific DEAD politician/general decided to “re-name” that SLAVIC region in YUGOSLAVIA with a significant-only-to-Greece-because-Macedonia-is-Greek-name, does NOT give you any right whatsoever to keep it!!!!!!!!!!!!! VARDARSKA was your Slavic name. Use VARDARSKA and keep it, and STOP trying to “establish” yourself with a GREEK NAME=MACEDONIA and the GREEK HISTORY that is associated with MACEDONIA of 2,500 years ago!!!! MACEDONIA = GREECE.

    Go back to YOUR SLAVIC roots and use YOUR SLAVIC name, which is VARDARSKA, because VARDARSKA is how the World should know you, SLAVS.

  • Bouboulina

    The very fact that you are re-naming yourselves as macedonians signifies that you already had an original name in the first place, which was/is VARDARSKA…..however, as a Hellene
    I am very honoured and proud that you lot wish to emulate us and call yourselves macedonians because it suggests that you are not proud of who you were and wish to aligned with a superior race, the HELLENES or greek to you.
    Please do, call yourselves macedonians, for in the future WE shall swallow you up and along with bulgaria and will once again be reclaimed greek land and renamed GREATER GREECE………..as the saying goes; “To be copied is the greatest form of flattery”……

  • Antoniochio

    you are in an infieriorety complex state of mind wake up and smell the roses you little man get a life and get your facts right you are the IDIOT with capital latters

  • Aetos

    Macedonia Greek: Μακεδονία, Makedonía, is a geographical and historical region of Greece in southeastern Europe. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region.

    Anglicised version of the Greek name Alexandros.

    Alexander appears in the Bible as the one who helps Jesus bear the cross on the journey to Calvary.

    Alexander the Great was an ancient Macedon king. Greece was unified by his father, Philip II, but Alexander went on to extend the Macedon empire eastwards to the periphery of modern India.

    Etymologically, the name is derived from the Greek “Αλέξανδρος” (Aléxandros), meaning “defending men” or “protector of men”, a compound of the verb “ἀλέξω” (alexō), “to ward off, to avert, to defend” and the noun “ἀνδρός” (andros), genitive of “ἀνήρ” (anēr), “man”. It is an example of the widespread motif of Greek (or Indo-European more generally) names expressing “battle-prowess”, in this case the ability to withstand or push back an enemy battle line.

    The earliest attested form of the name is the Mycenaean Greek feminine noun a-re-ka-sa-da-ra, (transliterated as Alexandra), written in Linear B syllabic script.
    The name was one of the titles (“epithets”) given to the Greek goddess Hera and as such is usually taken to mean “one who comes to save warriors”. In the Iliad, the character Paris is known also as Alexander. The name’s popularity was spread throughout the Greek world by the military conquests of King Alexander III, commonly known as “Alexander the Great”. Most later Alexanders in various countries were directly or indirectly named for him.

    Alexander of Corinth, 10th king of Corinth (816–791 BC)
    Alexander I of Macedon
    Alexander II of Macedon
    Alexander of Pherae despot of Pherae between 369 and 358 BC
    Alexander I of Epirus king of Epirus about 342 BC
    Alexander the Great (Alexander III of Macedon), King of Macedon, 356–323 BC
    Alexander IV of Macedon
    Alexander II of Epirus king of Epirus 272 BC
    Alexander Balas, ruler of the Seleucid kingdom of Syria between 150 and 146 BC
    Alexander (artists), the name of a number of artists of ancient Greece.
    Alexander (3rd century BC general), commanded the cavalry under Antigonus III Doson Alexander of Athens, Athenian comic poet
    Alexander Lyncestes, a contemporary of Alexander the Great
    Alexander Aetolus, a poet and member of the Alexandrian Pleiad
    Alexander, son of Lysimachus, 3rd century BC Macedonian royal
    Alexander (Aetolian general), briefly conquered Aegira in 220 BC
    Alexander (general), son of Polyperchon, the regent of Macedonia
    Alexander Isius, 2nd century military commander of the Aetolians
    Alexander of Acarnania (d. 191 BC), confidante of Antiochus III the Great
    Alexander Lychnus, early 1st century BC poet and historian
    Alexander Polyhistor, Greek scholar of the 1st century
    Alexander of Myndus, ancient Greek writer on zoology and divination
    Alexander of Aegae, peripatetic philosopher of the 1st century
    Alexander of Cotiaeum, 2nd century Greek grammarian and tutor of Marcus Aurelius
    Alexander Numenius, or Alexander son of Numenius, 2nd century AD, Greek rhetorician Alexander the Paphlagonian, 2nd century Greek imposter
    Alexander Peloplaton, Greek rhetorician of the 2nd century
    Alexander of Lycopolis, 4th century author of an early Christian treatise against Manicheans
    Alexander of Aphrodisias, Greek commentator and philosopher

  • Over it

    Jayson, you are ignorant to the facts. You have been brain washed like so many others. These so called historians have been hired by the greek government and independant histroians from the UK, The US, France and Germany tell a vastly differnt story. Get your facts straight. The Greek and the Ancient Macedonains were mortal enimies and now Macedonians are Greek. I think not!!!!