London School of Economics Tries to Solve Greek Crisis

With Greece mired in a crushing economic crisis with seemingly no way out, a panel at the London School of Economics on Sept. 11 of academics and writers specializing in political science, public policy, math, the economy and society offered some solutions and proposed a long-term vision for the government and society to overcome obstacles. There were four talks by a panel of speakers, which was chaired by LSE Finance Professor Dimitri Vayanos, followed by a Q&A session.

The second part of the discussion, chaired by Nikitas Konstantinidis, a fellow in Political Science and Public Policy at LSE, focused on how Diaspora Greeks could help. The event took place under the auspices of the Hellenic Observatory at the LSE. The first speaker, Pavlos Eleftheriadis. a university lecturer at Mansfield and Oxford, and  a lawyer, argued that the crisis can be attributed to the gradual emergence of “extractive” institutions in the mid-1980’s.

While cronyism has been a persistent feature of Greek democracy since the 1860’s, important changes in the mid-1980’s tipped the balance against independent institutions, competitiveness and the rule of law, he said. The result was a closed, protectionist and corrupt political system which stifled entrepreneurship and innovation and controlled the largest news outlets and private TV stations.

Joining the Eurozone exposed this flawed political system and magnified the consequences of the Greek collapse, he added. Eleftheriadis said that way out of the crisis does not require major innovation but to combine economic with political reforms to restore law, fight corruption and enforce accountability. The challenge for Greece is to become a more open and just society and a social market whose economy is truly integrated into the global economy, he concluded.

Apostolos Doxiadis, who spoke about the practice of politics in juxtaposition with political ideology, made the distinction between the politics of principles and ideas, problem-solving, and clientelism. While no political action falls squarely within one of  those, he said that the dominant paradigm in Greece is contrarianism and opposition to the Memorandum of Agreement with international lenders, Germany,  and immigrants.

Doxiadis, a writer whose graphic novel Logicomix was a best-seller, said it’s easier to say no than yes, since that way the degrees of freedom are higher. On the other hand, the logic of clientelism is protective of the institutions that nurture it but are antithetical to progress. The only way out, he said, is a wider consensus that can only be brought about by a political figure. What Greece needs, he concluded, is a novel, simple, and persuasive vision in which the public believes.

EXIT STRATEGIES

George Prokopakis, a business consultant on organizational and data management, said he thought that Greece’s exit strategy from the crisis has three stages. The first is short-run crisis management, and the main objective is to stay in the Euro, on which he said there is already consensus between politicians and society. The second stage is implementation of structural reforms to enhance functioning of the state and market competition.

More support for reforms is needed from society, Prokopakis said, because it benefits most people. The third stage is growth. This is more long term and, to some extent, a consequence of the others, he said, adding that growth will come mainly from small firms, who must look toward foreign markets. The crisis has already resulted in the loss of 1.2 million jobs, which will take many years to be created again and he said Greece needs at least six months of calm to begin recovery.

Andreas Koutras, an investment banker who has written extensively about Greek debt restructuring, argued that part of Greek society has not realized or refuses to acknowledge the need for structural changes not only in the economy but in society and personal behavior. He said that failure can be attributed to a lack of vision but has been supplanted by saremongering and blackmailing.

Koutras said many citizens refuse to be subjected to austerity measures by corrupt politicians and political parties he said were degenerate and had largely caused the crisis and that Greece needs new parties. He said that the country slowly becoming an almost autistic society that ostracizes dissenting or alternative voices.

Anything that does not conform to a pernicious nationalism and a backward looking Greek Orthodox culture is crushed as anti-Greek, he said. He urged a tolerant and respecting society, believing that prosperity would follow naturally after a civil and cultural capital is created. “Patriots are not only the ones glued in a glorious past but those that strive to make a better future,” he concluded.

The event came about through a decentralized initiative and a second part of the discussion was more organizational. The goals were

  • The search for synergies between the various networks and initiatives that have taken shape outside Greece
  • Creation of a common platform of understanding and debate on issues of Greek public policy reforms
  • Co-ordination of the rich human capital of Greeks in the UK for the common good of Greece

Konstantinidis appeared on behalf of the Greek Public Policy Forum (www.greekpublicpolicyforum.org), Vayanos of the Greek Economists for Reform (www.greekeconomistsforreform.org), and Michael Jacobides, an Associate Professor of Strategic and International Management at London Business School, for Redesign Greece (www.redesigngreece.org) and a


  • Anonymous

    I’m not religious but George Prokopakis is dead wrong to attack the Greek church and our devotion to Hellenic past. The Greek church was largely responsible for the creation of our modern state. It ties even secular Greeks together much like Rabbis does Jews. 

    He should be focusing his energy on anti-hellenic far leftist fanatics, far right fanatics, and anti-Hellenic foreigners trying to dismantle our identity rather than  playing right into the hands of those that betrayed Greece in name dispute.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry that should say “Apostolos Doxiadis” not  “George Prokopakis”.

    Illegals are not “immigrants” Mr Doxiadis. Clueless patronizing collectivist “writers” like you (aka incompetent) would be best to ask your foreign colleagues (who you cares more about than Greece) why do they now dishonestly pretend not to notice FYROM’s irredentism and sudden change into “ancient Macedonians”?

    Mr. Doxiadis reminds me very much of IMRO collaborators during Greek
    civil war. He cares nothing about preserving Greek identity. He is more concerned with approval from foreign peers than our country.  The Greek people (of any political persuasion) should consider any so-called “Greek” that collaborates with those trying to ethnically erase Greek people as not only persona non-grata but treasonous.

  • Anonymous

    Pardon that should say “Andreas Koutras” not “Apostolos Doxiadis”. (double error on my part)

    While I agree that patriots should look at future patriots also do not attack our heritage and identity like Mr. Koutras has shamefully done)

  • Anonymous

    Albeit Mr. Koutras is in banking his words strikes me as a collectivist  sort.  

    Our identity is Greek Mr. Koutras. Our country is named the HELLENIC republic Mr. Koutras.  This is not a reference to ancient Eskimos but to ancient Greeks. While we should also consider the future, if your loyalties are not also to preserving Greek culture and Greek people then you lost your right to speak for the Greek people. You speak only for your self interest and any anti-Hellenic foreigner comrades you seek attention from.

    I unfairly addressed this point to other Greeks. It should have been addressed to you.

    Instead of attacking Greeks why don’t alleged “Greeks” like you not criticize your foreigner comrades for now dishonestly pretending not to notice FYROM’s irredentism and sudden change into “ancient Macedonians”? What country on earth would tolerate this? Is this “human rights” according to you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSvIKIAzHxg
     
    Frankly I am disgusted by any so called “Greek” that pretentiously claims to “care” for Greece but is  too cowardly to stand up for it. (unprincipled bandwagon jumpers that would sell out their homeland for attention or money)

  • Anonymous

    Any so-called “Greek” that attacks our identity or collaborates with IMRO (or any foreigner that does)…. should be considered an enemy of the Greek people
    (much like IMRO collaberators were treated Greek civil war back when US claimed no such ethnic groups as “Macedonians” exists). Such
    “Greeks” do not have a  Greek identity.  Despite they use the word “Greek” to describe themselves their  context of “Greek” is not the same as the vast majority of Greek population (as in related to ancient Greeks),

    Greeks should strongly shun “Greeks” like this as they are used by some anti-Hellenic foreigners to manipulative try to show us how “they “aren’t racist against Greeks” (when they are,,, which is evidenced by their evasive blindness around FYROM in here and now while they try to pretentiously lecture us on ancient history). A perfect example of this is anti-Hellenic ranter at Helsinki Greece Panayotes Dimitras. He is selectively the “voice” of Greece in foreign press that references FYROM as “Macedonia”…despite the fact his views on the issue contradict 99% of ethnic Greek population  (also of note.. .that same press that mocked us now dishonestly pretends not to notice or downplays FYROM’s sudden identity change and irredentism)

    Typically these sorts of “Greeks” are leftist but imo the fundamental reason they are like this isn’t communist ideology per see. It is the same mentality that drives islamic extremists. It;s a desire to show we are all “comrades” and they seek peace at all costs (including even if it came at the cost of our own ethnic suicide). Collectivists see nationalism as an evil when in fact nationalism is absolutely necessary for any ethnic group or nation to survive. The confuse self-defensive patriotism as being a synonym for unprincipled extreme nationalism (e.g  ala fascism)

    Mr. Koutras is greatly mistaken to
    believe Greeks don’t face very real threats. Visit comment section of virtually any media outlet in the world and you’ll
    find endless  foreign nationalists either mocking Greeks or
    calling for violence against the Greek people. I’d also note Turkish government not only pretends not to notice FYROM’s behavior but also actively lobbies on its behalf (i.e. as a proxy against Greeks)

    It’s true that some times nationalism is evil but sometimes its also necessary to survive when threatened by foreign bigots. It’s also true sometimes those that self-righteously speak out against patriotism in times that it is appropriate… are just unprincipled cowards. There is a great saying that all evil needs to grow if for good men to do nothing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSvIKIAzHxg

  • Anonymous

    The “hellenic observatory” (which these clowns belong too)  is anything but Hellenic.
    Its a foreign funded part of London School of Economic that selectively chooses
    pseudo-intellectual post modernist flakes that have slowly deconstructed their
    Greek identity into nothingness (to manipulatively try and talk us out of our identity). The UK government should be ashamed of themselves for colluding with FYROM ultra nationalists.  Greeks should not support anti-Hellenic organizations. Do not confuse their usage of the word “Hellenic” with being the same as our own.

    http://www2.lse.ac.uk/europeanInstitute/aboutUs/aboutUs.aspx

  • Anonymous

    Pulled from LSE website
    “Welcome to the Hellenic Observatory, part of the European Institute at the LSE (LONDON School of Economics). Established in 1996, the Hellenic
    Observatory is internationally recognised as one of the premier research
    centres on contemporary Greece. It brings together a core group of LSE
    academics, and a range of Research and Visiting Fellows, to create a
    multidisciplinary network of scholars focusing on the social sciences.”

    When you read the word “social sciences” (i.e. politics pretending to be science) this is typically leftist code words for “trying to talk you out of your ethnic identity”

    Also of note the LSE that the so-called “Hellenic Observatory” belongs to references FYROM as “Macedonia” and has many papers by FYROM apologists (who again dishonestly play dumb as FYROM turns into “anceint Mcedonians” and encourage irredentism against our homeland)

    http://search.lse.ac.uk/search/search.cgi?query=macedonia&site=LSEWebsiteAll&collection=lse_external

     

  • The maverik

    Greece will come back to normality once corruptionocracy is been eliminated, law & order is restored, immunity from prosecution is revoked and government rules & regulations are simplified and updated to the benefit of the Greek people and investors alike…

  • Zara

    Wow, so many ‘educated’ Greeks with so many degrees yet they manage to bankrupt the country.  And now we have a bunch of ‘academics’ from England trying to solve a debt crisis.  I want to ask these patriots if they have donated some of their cash to the diaspora fund?  By now the Greek debt should have been repaid.

    Why is it when you speak with a Greek they think that they are the greatest thing since sliced bread?

    Fact is, NOTHING will change the mind set of these people and their corrupt, manipulative ways.  Ofcourse there are many good Greeks out there that don’t get involved with denial of human rights against minorities in their country.

    I am Macedonian and no Greek will tell me that I am something else because reality is, Modern Greeks are not descendants of the Ancient Greeks either.

  • Anonymous

     Yawn.

    “It should be
    noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the

    Macedonians of the
    time of Alexander the Great who were a GREEK tribe and today’s
    so-called ‘macedonians’ of the ‘Former Yugoslav Republic ofmacedonia’ or
    FYROM, who are of SLAVIC origin and related to BULGARIANS.” -David H Levinson,
    ‘The Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures’

  • Anonymous

     

    Greeks have lived in Anatolia
    for millennia, especially along the Aegean coast. For a while, under
    Alexander, they dominated the land. And for all intents and purposes, the
    Byzantine Empire was Greek.[.] The first Ottoman census, of 1477, counted
    half of Constantinople’s population as Greek, and four-hundred years
    later, even after the Greek War of Independence, it was still 21 percent
    Greek.  –  David Lowenthal, “The heritage
    crusade and the spoils of history. (1998)

  • Anonymous

     

    ‘The idea that Alexander the Great
    belongs to us was at the mind of some outsider groups only. These groups were
    insignificant in the first years of our independence. But the big problem is
    that the old Balkan nations have been learned to legitimize themselves through
    their history. In the Balkans to be recognized as a nation you need to have
    history of 2,000 to 3,000 years old. Since you (Greece ) forced us to invent a
    history, we did invent it.’

    (FYROM Foreign
    Minister Denko Maleski – 1991 to 1993)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlDLmufGHqQ&feature=related

  • Anonymous

     What happened to the former Yugoslavians’ government’s past identity claims manipulator?

    ‘We are not related
    to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the
    Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.’
    – FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper,
    February 24 1999

     

     “We are Slavs who came to this area in
    the sixth century … We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians” –
    Kiro Gligorov, FYROM’s first President

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBB8UjOHG_8

     

     

    ‘We do not claim to
    be descendants of Alexander the Great.’ – FYROM’S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka,
    speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999

  • Anonymous

    Greece…. in the middle of a depression… looks like economic superpower next to the former Yugoslavian state (FYROM has over 30% unemployment and half the gdp/capita of Greece).

    Rather than trolling the internet “edumacating” others… I would ask you current government why does it oppress evidence of its ethnic Bulgarian past? Why does it pretend to be related to ancient Macedonians? (which your apologists dishonestly pretend not to notice to hide their shame for supporting manipulative hate filled irredentist extremists like you)

    “The creation
    of the Macedonian nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition
    of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between
    science and ideology, so the “Macedonian” historiography, unopposed by anybody,
    comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the
    “Macedonian” identity was created. There is nothing atypical here for the
    process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from
    the type of substitution of the word “Bulgarian” with the word “Macedonian”
    were made.” (Denko Maleski, former Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM
    from 1991 to 1993 in an interview to FYROM newspaper Utrinski Vesnik)

    “This (US)
    Government considers talk of Macedonian “nation”, Macedonian
    “Fatherland”, or Macedonia “national consciousness” to be
    unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees
    in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against
    Greece” – US State Department Dec, 1944 (Foreign Relations Vol. VIII
    Washington D.C. Circular Airgram – 868.014/26)

  • Anonymous

     Those who live in
    Skopje and say that that is Macedon and Alexander’s homeland are as IGNORANT
    and OUTRAGEOUS as if someone was to say that Oxford University was really in
    Belarus and Oxford was Minsk”

     

    Prof. Robin Lane Fox
    of Oxford University

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mIRe5tnqRKM#t=5s

  • Anonymous

    Ummm…. unlike FYROM’s bulgarian dialect that was modified and renamed “Macedonian” by communists… Greeks speak Greek in more than just name. Albeit evolved our modern language is easily recognizable as the same one found on countless ancient Macedonian artifacts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language

    We are
    also located in THE ancient Macedonian..,.. rather than ancient paeonia where the former Yugoslavia is located but bizarrely references as “Macedonia”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonia_%28kingdom%29

    Then of course massive amounts of our culture is derived from
    ancient Greeks rather than say ancient eskimos. What were FYROM’s Bulgarian ancestors doing when our ancestors were teaching Greek language and philosophy during Renaissance?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance

    And albeit there is no such thing as pure national races,  despite bizarre claims from FYROM nationalist that Greek “ethiopians” (relying on a single long discredited Arnaiz study that used a single genetic marker) DNA testing consistently shows modern Greeks are not only biologically related to
    ancient Greeks but even neolithic people the region.
    http://m.pnas.org/content/94/15/7719/F2.expansion.html
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_199902/ai_n8845695/pg_4/

    I find it very telling when you FYROM ultra nationalists like you (and your apologists) try to deny our identity as “real” Greeks. All your behavior proves is three things.

    a. By being anti-Hellenic… the culture and language of ancient Macedonians…. you are defacto ANTI-Macedonians.

    b. you are pure hypocrities for trying to deny our identity while claiming your own rights absolute.

    c. even you know ancient Macedonians were self-identifying Hellenes.

    Identity is a human right. Not identity theft. Trying to steal the identity of Greeks is effectively an attempt at genocide. FYROM ultra nationalist like you are evil. Anyone that supports you is also evill

  • realistic

    Anything that does not conform to a pernicious nationalism and a backward looking Greek Orthodox culture is crushed as anti-Greek, he said. He urged a tolerant and respecting society, believing that prosperity would follow naturally after a civil and cultural capital is created. “Patriots are not only the ones glued in a glorious past but those that strive to make a better future,” he concluded.