Greeks Abroad Move Closer to Voting Right



Greek Minister of Interior Euripidis Stylianidis said he is ready to put a bill before Parliament that would give Greeks around the world the right to vote in Greek elections, which could add several million eligible voters, according to the newspaper Greece Tomorrow.

Debate has long raged in Greece over extending the voting right and has become even more critical with the changing political landscape as the once-dominant parties of New Democracy and PASOK have been sliding in popularity. According to the draft bill the right to vote be extended to anyone around the world who has Greek citizenship, much the same way that Americans abroad are allowed to vote in U.S. elections.

The bill also would require that Greek political parties place as candidates on their lists at least three homogenous Greeks who have lived abroad for at least 10 years.


16 COMMENTS

  1. That may be a good thing. People who left Greece to get a better life tend to be more conservative. 

  2. A mixed bag. Some in the diaspora are in the process of losing their Greek identity and being assimilated into other nationalities. Those types typically vote left and parrot multiculturalism gibberish of their host countries (places like  US that wiped out indigenous peoples and assimilate Europeans and others into unhypenated American identity while claiming to support multiculturalism) . Its only the ones that have strong Greek identity that vote right.

    Frankly I really can’t understand why someone in the diaspora with a non-Greek identity should be allowed to vote in Greek elections. I think before blanket allowing an alleged Greek in diaspora to vote a questionairre needs to be answered. On it it should include the simple question do they see ancient Greeks as part of their identity? If they say no…. they shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

    Greece citizens with non-Greek heritage withing Greece should of course
    be allowed to vote. However even then the government should not fund
    non-Greek related activities (e.g. education, language, history, cultural events, defense etc..
    should revolve around supporting Greek identity) This doesn’t mean foreigners can’t keep their own identities if they want but it shouldn’t be funded by state institutions like multiculturalist extremists want.  Since someone chose to live in another country it is their moral obligation to integrate into that country (and this applies to Greeks or anyone living abroad who should learn foreign language and participate in their adopted homelands activities not isolate themselves and demonize majority then manipulatively cry “persecution” and “racism”)

  3. I understand your fear since you are a far-leftist. After all in France, the french-tunisians who always vote left like he other muslims (last election 93% of muslims from France voted left) but when they had finally the possibility to vote for the tunisian election after the ousting of Ben Ali, more than 40% of them voted Ennhada (islamists = far-right).
    So It’s true that people living abroad have a tendency to be conservative.
    But don’t worry, I don’t think many of us in the diaspora would vote Syriza or GD because we are living in a foreign country so to let us vote would make the number of voices for theses 2 parties smaller.
    If thoses who want this bill passed present this project like a good way to make Syriza and GD do a less important score, they could succed in passing it.
    Anyway, I agree with you on this one, it will difficult to pass this bill.

  4.  I find it fascinating how antiHellenic fanatics like you are against it. Are you sure you are “Greek” comrade?

  5. Far leftists are proud that they are “ant-nationalist” but some of them take it to bizarre lengths.  Sal is a perfect example of this. Despite that he claims to be Greek he’s such an extreme anti-nationalist he’s bascially racist against Greeks.

    For example a few days ago Muslims went on a riot in Athens for blasphemy against allah. What’s Sal the Greek hating bigot’s response? Attack GD (which was utterly unrelated to the mob) and not say a peep against extremist Islamic elements in Greece.

    A day or so afterwards there was a charge for blaspehmy pushed by some GD nut. Sal’s response was to denounce GD again , He was right about it but missed he was unprincipled  around the Islamic extremists the day before.

    There is no reasoning with some far leftist extremists.  They are so caught up in extreme anti-nationalism they don’t even notice their own racism against Greeks. (which is exactly how inch-by-inch communists ended up committing atrocities against the Greek people during Greek civil war on behalf of IMRO, Tito and Stalin)

  6. Minorities typically vote overwhelming left in countries with elections. The right tries to defend the identity of majority of people in the country. The left doesn’t care and works to destroy it (while ironically at same time working to preserve the identities of minorities)  It’s the hidden side of politics.

    For instance in America Jewish people are typically liberals. They typically support democracy and minorities. However, in Israel they are typically right and supporters of ethnic Jewish state .. There are even Ultra Orthodox followers of Kahanism in Knesset that want all non-Jews out of Israel (no different than GD). This behaviour is common all around the world.

    This issue of preserving identity is a difficult one to answer. There is a conflict between democratic rule, equal rights and maintaining culture identity (which is different than citizenship). With changing demographics a nation can lose its identity with time if it doesn’t take steps to defend it.  This fear of loss of identity (which is a legitimate fear) is probably the biggest factor for wars throughout human history.

    Today the far left and far right typically represent the two extremes  (with even some alleged moderates falling into one of the two extremes)

    On the right extreme are the ultra nationalist fanatics that want no immigration at all, On the far left is the multiculturalist fanatics. IMO rational people realize both of these views are extreme. The correct approach is moderate immigration that  also includes picking the best candidates most likely to integrate and contribute. When someone moves to another country its fine if they wish to keep their identity but no government should be forced to support an identity and culture that is not its own (whatever that might be). If someone doesn’t like it, rather than rant “racism”…don’t move to the other country.

    Even in countries like America they try to control immigration even though integration is much easier (since there is no ethnic American identity). Unfortunately some American based NGOs try to export their model to rest of the world under the guise of “human rights” but its actually a form of neo-imperialism that threatens to wipe out many of the indigenous people of the world (much like happened in places like America, Canada, and Australia).

    In the 19th century one could get away with wars against indigenous people’s of various regions. In the 21st century where many people’s can acquire nuclear weapons if they feel their ethnic existence is threatened,  it is unwise.

  7. Greeks abroad do not benefit from the country’s legal system other than having more problems so why we should vote for a corrupt country never welcomed its Greek omogenis in the land??? The Greek parliament should concentrate its efforts in solving the country’s existing problems 1st than maybe we think of going back home for the place we love most, after all we the omogenis are not welcomed in Greece for some unknown reasons.

  8. It’s illogical that people that aren’t permanent citizens of the country be allowed to vote on matters within it. These people can’t be affected by the results of votes unless it concerns property which they own in the country. For example, the people of Greece may be suffering from austerity, but people outside may vote for further austerity measures merely because they don’t have to put up with it.

  9. Ethnic Greeks will be more likely to vote for Greek interests. Human nature.

    Unfortunately at the moment the multicultural extremists try to muddle ethnological space with geographic. For example a Muslim Arab pro-Shiara government living in Greece who calls themselves “Greek” isn’t Greek in ethnic sense.  Much more subtlely though… the same is true of self-described “modern” Greeks that have talked themselves our of their identity. They are using “Greek” in a different ideological context then most Greeks. (typically “Greeks” that have replaced their ethnic identity with a political identity like commie Sal)

    Modern travel  has made immigration and intermarriage easy so  I think its common problem around the world at the moment. Countries that have seen big demographic shifts because they haven’t bothered to protect their borders fear loss of identity  (unlike China, Japan, Israel, Austrai, Korea, etc..who are very strict in who they let in) I don’t think Greeks (i.e. people who see themselves related to ancient Greeks and care to preserve Greek culture that relates  to them) have spent enough time creating Greek institutions to insulate ourselves from this modern phenomena. 

    At the moment anyone can call themselves “Greek” or name their organization “hellenic”  without actually having a Greek identity . For example Nick Dimou says he is Greek..but is actually anti-Greek. (to the point of absurdly making a living demonizing Greeks). Another example is ELIAMEP. It is essentially a non-Hellenic organization of “modern” Greeks that claims to speak for Greeks (essentially two different ethnic identities being confusingly muddled into one due to similar nomenclature) .

    Some of this effect is due to mixing (thereby weakening loyalties) Some is due to different reading of history (e.g. some see voluntary Hellenization as some sort of oppressive  plot) . Some due to different conceptualization of Hellenism (somewhat like Jews that define Jewishness in different ways)

    Actual Greeks (in any coherent sense) are people that both see themselves related to ancient Hellenes and want to preserve Hellenic based culture/ideas related to ancient Hellenes. We need some sort of filtering mechanism that leaves some leeway for differences but at same time sets boundaries. IMO those boundaries should exclude any “Greeks” with a “modern Greek identity” (even if born to our own family) but it shouldn’t go so far like GD does attacking non-Greeks. It has to be compatible with living today and moving into the future but without sacrificing our relationship to ancient Hellenes.

  10. When my father was approaching the age when he could apply for his Greek army pension, he met with garbage. With no support from the consulate in melbourne nor from Greece. He had few papers to prove his truth although tghe UN had records and still does. We checked. But proving he was born in Hellas? That he is entitled to citizenship rights? That would be hard with the intelligence that stillc ontrols far too many areas of officialdom

  11. What about the people who had no choice but to leave? In Ireland we have exactly the same law (if you are outside of Ireland you can’t vote).
    I find myself in a situation that I’m sure many young Greek people are also in – I have had to emigrate to find work, but now I cannot vote in Australia (where I currently live and work) and I cannot vote in Ireland. In essence, I have no voice.
    I get that you may not want every single person who has a Greek great grandmother etc voting in Greek affairs, but I do strongly believe that you should be allowed to vote on affairs in the country of your passport.
    If you have a Greek passport you should be allowed to vote as a Greek citizen. 

  12. I’m sorry, I disagree. I believe that if you are allowed to have a Greek passport, then you are allowed to consider yourself Greek.

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