Father of Golden Dawn Murder Victim Claims Premeditation



pateras-fisa-708The father of murdered rapper Pavlos Fyssas on Tuesday testified in court claiming that his son’s slaying by Golden Dawn member Giorgos Roupakias was premeditated and the perpetrator had received orders from the party leadership.

Panagiotis Fyssas testified as a witness for the prosecution saying that the stabbing was professional and that Roupakias had planned the attack in advance. He said that the killer’s motive was to silence his rapper son because his lyrics spoke against fascism and Golden Dawn.

The leadership of Golden Dawn is on trial on charges of forming and running a criminal organization. Panagiotis Fyssas testified as the first prosecution witness before the three-member Felonies Appeal Court.

“At the hospital where they carried Pavlos, I asked the doctor if the death was due to the ambulance delay. He replied that the hit was professional. [Roupakias] stabbed him and turned the knife so that the blood flowed inside. My child survived for four minutes and managed to point to the murderer. He told police: He’s the one who killed me,” Fyssas said.

“This organization is shutting the mouths of those who oppose them. They were bothered by Pavlos’ songs that were against fascism,” he further said.

Fyssas said Roupakias killed his son after he received orders from party leader Nikos Michaloliakos. “They don’t do anything without receiving an order. They need an order to get up from their chair,” he said.

The father of the victim reinforced his point by saying that Golden Dawn chief Michaloliakos said on Greek radio that he accepts political responsibility, but not criminal responsibility for Fyssas’ death.

Earlier Roupakias claimed that he accepts the charges of manslaughter but not the charges that he belongs to a criminal organization. His defense attorney claimed the stabbing of Fyssas was done in self-defense asking charges of voluntary manslaughter to be reversed to charges of involuntary manslaughter or of causing fatal injury.


21 COMMENTS

  1. “Golden Dawn murder victim”

    Ha! So all of Golden Dawn, including voters, are responsible for the act of one man? So all of ND is responsible for the murder of Nikos Temponeras?

    Saying the murder was a professional hit is pure nonsense. A professional hit is what happened to Manolis Kapelonis, Giorgos Fountoulis and Alexandros Gerondas, where the murderers have not yet been found. Both Michaloliakos and Kasidiaris have special forces background, they could have done the same, if they had wanted.

  2. The father of Fyssas said that Roupakias received orders from Mihaloliakos. I feel terribly sorry for Mr. Fyssas losing his son, but going to court and saying such stupid things don’t help matters. There is no proof whatsoever of any “orders” been given. It’s just his opinion. The system tried extremely hard to “produce” evidence… tried and tried again…and manipulated events for two years now… they even hired so called witnesses. Unfortunately for the system the crime was videotaped proving it was more of an accident than a deliberate event. There were a few policemen watching who decided to let the two men fight it out instead of intervening.

    The prosecution went even to the extend of not allowing the phone conversations of that evening to be heard. instead they only want bits and pieces heard, which of course they can be manipulated to get the desired effect. Why don’t they want (as Golden dawn wants) the entire tape of phone conversations made public?

  3. Excerpts from Kathimerini article titled:
    “Father of slain rapper blames GD leader for son’s murder” with my comments in bold.

    “Then the professional hit man arrived,” said Fyssas of Roupakias, who witnesses say arrived in his car and stabbed the rapper. Fyssas claimed that the party leadership had ordered the murder.
     
    Professional hit man? Roupakias is an overweight man, aged 45 in 2013, who had worked for about 2 months in a Golden Dawn operated canteen as a kitchen hand. Prior to that Roupakias spent years as a member of Communist run unions.
     
    “The order came from the upper echelons of the party,” said the witness. “These guys take orders even to get up from their seats.”
     
    There is no evidence to back up this claim that the upper echelons of the party ordered this killing. There is no telephone recording of such an order being issued. The statement about needing orders to get up out of seats is ofcourse just plain silly.
     
    The judge asked Fyssas who he believed had given the order to kill his son. “Michaloliakos,” he replied. “He has my son’s blood all over his hands.”
     
    Once again, not a shred of evidence for this. A judge can’t hand out a 20 year jail sentence based on a speculation made by the father of the slain rapper, Pavlos Fyssas aka KILLAH P.

    Michaloliakos stated that the first time he heard the name Roupakias was from the media after the murder had occured, and that thousands of people seek aid or temporary employment at GD’s offices and it’s impossible to know them all individually.
     
    Fyssas made reference to the fact that the Golden Dawn leader, who was released from pretrial custody earlier this year, had accepted “political responsibility” for the murder in a recent radio interview. The civil prosecution has asked for this comment by Michaloliakos to be recognized by the court.
     
    “As far as the political responsibility is concerned, we accept it, but there is no criminal responsibility. How is it that an entire party is being accused because one of its supporters committed a condemnable act?” stated Nikolaos Michaloliakos in an interview with Real FM’s Nikos Chatzinikolaou
     
    Michaloliakos has clarified that by “political responsibility” he was referring to the political cost to his party in terms of lost support.

  4. Even the title of this report is wrong.

    Fyssas was not a victim of Golden dawn, He was an unfortunate individual who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and after a fight he became a victim of someone who supported Golden Dawn. If a supporter of Syriza robs a bank, can you say that the bank was robbed by Syriza?

  5. “This organization is shutting the mouths of those who oppose them. They were bothered by Pavlos’ songs that were against fascism.”

    Golden Dawn was not and is not threatened in the least by goddamn rappers. Honestly, these types talk about how awesome they themselves are and how they are going to kill “dem meanie fascists” but never actually have the nerve to do much of anything. They are a joke.

    “They don’t do anything without receiving an order. They need an order to get up from their chair.”

    Maybe, Mr. Fyssas, you should actually look at the entirety of what happened. Roupakias (who btw was a member only in the sense that he swept floors at the office close to where the incident took place) was drunk. Fyssas too was acting like an idiot. The whole occurrence, far from being some coordinated effort from the higher ups, was a drunken street brawl.

    Of course, Roupakias himself is more in the wrong and did a truly deplorable thing and Fyssas was a victim in the end. But to claim that he is a martyr is nothing short of ludicrous. Your precious saint Fyssas was honestly not much better. He himself has songs advocating for violence in addition to his foolish behavior and no amount of monuments built in this guy’s name will change that.

    “The father of the victim reinforced his point by saying that Golden Dawn chief Michaloliakos said on Greek radio that he accepts political responsibility, but not criminal responsibility for Fyssas’ death.”

    Christ, I knew that the second Michaloliakos said this, every idiot with an anti Golden Dawn agenda would be trumpeting this misunderstood and out of context quote. Golden Dawn is politically responsible in the same way that the American Republican party would be politically responsible if a registered Republican acted like an idiot and killed a vocal Democrat supporter. But no matter, regardless of facts morons will continue to cite this as damning evidence when in reality it is effectively meaningless in the greater scheme of things.

    The ultimate irony is that he and the prosecutors claim that the murder was orchestrated from on high and was politically motivated when in reality they are the ones coming to the trial with a political motive. With their blatant disregard of the facts, it is clear that they do not truly care for justice and want only to shut down the Popular Association. I am normally always sympathetic to those who have lost loved ones. But when one is using the death of a loved one for some sort of gain, I lose all sympathy and have nothing but contempt for that person.

  6. The Left believes only in the seriousness of the accusation to advance their agenda to grab media headlines but never are challenged about the burden of proof. This worn J’accuse (I accuse) policy is only effective as long as the media supports it. Frankly such ploys are no longer effective to rational thinking individuals. Like an old box of eggs this form political opportunism is beginning to smell…badly..

  7. In Greece’s recent political history, executives of NEW DEMOCRACY and PASOK committed several politically motivated murders, i.e. political assassinations.

    ▪ The murder of leftist teacher Νίκος Τεμπονέρας by Ιωάννης Καλαμπόκας, who was a member and advisor to the New Democracy party in Patras.

    ▪ The murder of a PASOK supporter by the bodyguard of a New Democracy MP.

    ▪ The murder of a citizen with leftist beliefs by a member of the National Political Union (Whose leader was Mr. Voridis, currently an MP with New Democracy and supporting the persecution of Golden Dawn)

    ▪ The murder of a New Democracy Community Councilor by a PASOK supporter.

    ND & PASOK controlled the levers of power in Greece and were never charged with being criminal organizations, nor were their MPs subjected to mass arrests, they were the untouchable elites.

  8. “and how they are going to kill “dem meanie fascists” but never actually have the nerve to do much of anything.” as opposed to talking about killing communists and illegals…….

    ” Roupakias (who btw was a member only in the sense that he swept floors at the office close to where the incident took place)” he was FULL a golden dawn member. google image is your friend. funny how you throw one of your own under the bus at the first sign of conflict

    “He himself has songs advocating for violence” can you please list the names of the songs

    the drunken street brawl excuse is just that another excuse just like you excuse Hitler’s invasion and decimation of Greece with lies and revisionist history

    “in the same way that the American Republican party” if the order came from the top, like in this case, yes that Republican Party would be at fault

    The order came from the top and that is what will be shown in the trial and what the 800 page prosecutors’ report states

  9. you haven’t been paying attention to the trial nor have you read the prosecutor’s report

    Roupakas had been a member of Golden Dawn for longer than a few months. Just look at the pictures of him. nice of you to throw one of your own under the bus like a coward

    if you believe him when he said he was only a member for a couple months, then you must also beleive him when he said he knew kasidiaris mihaloliakos and others. you can’t cherry pick to suit your agenda

  10. This is the gutter journalism they try to brainwash the Greek people with. The leadership of Golden Dawn ordered the murder. How do we know that? Well… somebody in the media said so

  11. “as opposed to talking about killing communists and illegals……”

    Golden Dawn has vocally criticized both those groups but never said or done anything of killing them. Try again.

    “he was FULL a golden dawn member. google image is your friend. funny how you throw one of your own under the bus at the first sign of conflict”

    What point are your trying to make here? I did not deny he was a member at all and in fact affirmed that he was. The sentence you quoted of me here merely pointed out that contrary to the story the media supports, the guy was not by any means an important member. He swept the floors at one of the offices for christ’s sake. And he was a relatively new member at that.

    “can you please list the names of the songs”

    Just as a start, he is antifascist rapper named “Killah P,” what do you think his work will be about? You will find examples of the violence he promotes throughout his work. If you want to dig through his crap like I did last year, believe me you will run into it very quickly. I myself have no desire to further bleed my ears listening to the garbage that they call rap.

    “the drunken street brawl excuse is just that another excuse just like you excuse Hitler’s invasion and decimation of Greece with lies and revisionist history”

    It was a drunken brawl because that is what happened. And as I stated in my post, that does not of course excuse Roupakias’s behavior AT ALL. But it does reveal the type of person Fyssas was. As for that second part, I will respond to it later today on that article. I have been pressed for time these last few days. But suffice to say that what I have said is based in fact and what YOU believe in is in fact what is based on revisionism, the lie that the Communists were the great heroes of the era. And you yourself may not be a KKE supporter but you nonetheless have bought into the propaganda that they and the entirety of the Greek left has created. But as I said, I will go more in depth into this when I reply in that other page later today.

    ” if the order came from the top, like in this case, yes that Republican Party would be at fault”

    As has been pointed out many times before, the call was RECEIVED by Golden Dawn leadership from Roupakias. And tell me, if Golden Dawn really was a criminal organization as you believe and did put a hit on a rapper who had an inconsequential influence against Golden Dawn, do you think such a criminal organization would send a new, low-ranking, overweight member to murder someone IN PUBLIC in such a messy way? Does it occur to you that when you actually put aside your Golden Dawn hatred and really think about the situation, the story that you AND the media as a whole have promoted makes no sense whatsoever?

    “The order came from the top and that is what will be shown in the trial and what the 800 page prosecutors’ report states”

    I wish to ask you a few questions.

    First, do you recall that the period in late 2013 in which the Golden Dawn leadership was arrested? Of course you do! And how could you not? The New Democracy-Pasok regime turned what should be a professional police action into a grand circus spectacle on all the news channels, effectively saying “Look look what we did to the Golden Dawn meanies!” It was done in a way that was purely for the sake of propaganda, heavily implying that it was some sure fire example of justice being brought against someone they claimed were bad.

    Now fast forward to the actual trial a year and a half later. Notice anything different? Maybe, you know, the fact that they refused Golden Dawn’s own request to have the trial fully televised. Tell me, if what you believe is fact and the Golden Dawn’s guilt is beyond question, would they not have the entire trial made into a public spectacle once more like the arrests? I mean, if you believed that a party you hated was going to get convicted, would you not want to watch them squirm as they are dealt a sentence on live television? And on Golden Dawn’s part, if they were guilty, why would they constantly be requesting to make this information public? No instead, only occasional snippets that the established powers find useful for their own goals are let out.

    To put it bluntly, the narrative you and the media believe in is filled with crater sized holes. Even a bit questioning brings the entire thing crumbling down. Add the fact that in a video secretly recorded by Ilias Kasidiaris, Baltakos, an actual high ranking New Democracy leader, confesses the true political motive of the trial and any credibility the trial could have had in the minds of anyone instantly evaporates. Google “Baltakos confession” and realize the truth for yourself.

  12. “Try again.” um are you kidding me. just here on these boards your buddy MSMlies advocated killing refugees as the come over to Greece. There is PLENTY of other evidence on golden dawn’s own website in Greek stating the same for both groups.

    so you can’t list the name of any songs then. got it

    ” But suffice to say that what I have said is based in fact and what YOU believe in is in fact what is based on revisionism”

    no comment on me mentioning many other non-communist resistance groups. these no commie groups and CERTAIN elements of the communist resistance groups did in fact only fight the foreign invader, you know the german nazis

    “do you think such a criminal organization would send a new, low-ranking, overweight member to murder someone IN PUBLIC in such a messy way” yes that’s usual how it’s done and case in point you seizing on the fact that it was a street brawl pointing out the fact that it was messy to deflect bame. you embrace the messiness

    they want to avoid a public spectacle as it has already become that. it makes sense there are live feeds from the court by the way that document everything that is said.

    the baltkos video is not a smoking gun. don’t forget you and your allegedly despised ND were in cohorts with each other

  13. The order came from above? Really?
    If there was one little shred of evidence of that, it would have been plastered all over the media…TV.. newspapers etc… Unfortunately for the system there is nothing, that is why they were delaying the so called trial… they don’t know how to get out of it. As far as the 800 pages it was the same thing copied and pasted again and again

  14. “um are you kidding me. just here on these boards your buddy MSMlies advocated killing refugees as the come over to Greece. There is PLENTY of other evidence on golden dawn’s own website in Greek stating the same for both groups.”

    Do tell, where on the website have they ever said this? And I find it doubtful that MSMlies ever actually threatened immigrants. And even if he (or I for that matter) did, some person on the internet saying it does not make it official Golden Dawn policy. People like you and I come to places like this to argue with each other, generally supporting our favored party without being party spokesmen.

    “no comment on me mentioning many other non-communist resistance groups. these no commie groups and CERTAIN elements of the communist resistance groups did in fact only fight the foreign invader, you know the german nazis”

    Yesterday I did not in fact have the time to comment on the other post but I will do it now after I finish this one. Communists may not have made the entire force but they were easily the biggest by far, especially through their military arm in ELAS. Yes they had Greeks of numerous political beliefs but KKE was still the dominant group without a doubt. Hell, they had already started fights with other groups long before the Germans even fully evacuated. If it hypothetically came down to a fight between resistance groups, they would have undeniably come out on top and we would have been saluting Comrade Stalin.

    Now if they were more evenly matched I may believe you in saying that you only supported certain rebel groups. But in this case, saying you love the Greek rebels while distancing yourself from the communists is completely laughable. They were the central opposition. The least you could do is own up to it.

    “so you can’t list the name of any songs then. got it”

    As I said, that crap is all over his work. Believe it or not, he does in fact have songs other then “Σιγά μην κλάψω, σιγά μη φοβηθώ” that the leftie websites endlessly push. But as I said, I have no desire to give my ears cancer and I am not about to do it just to prove a point to you. So lets consider this point dropped by my part.

    “yes that’s usual how it’s done and case in point you seizing on the fact that it was a street brawl pointing out the fact that it was messy to deflect bame. you embrace the messiness”

    A high profile assassination was done intentionally messy? Are you listening to yourself? Seldom have I seen such self deluding amounts of double think. I am not even sure how to respond to this nonsense. But I will try.

    Hilariously enough, you accuse(?) me of “seizing on the fact that it was a street brawl” whatever that means. How exactly is pointing out a fact of the incident deflecting blame? So I guess we are not allowed to point out the facts to defend ourselves? Alright then Big Brother, if you say 2+2=5, it must be so.

    And saying that this is “that’s usually how it’s done” is not true. Case in point, not long after the incident, 2 Golden Dawn members were executed in a drive-by by an extremist group. These men to this day have not been caught. THAT is what a hit looks like. If Golden Dawn was the criminal organization you so fervently believe it was, the death of Fyssas would have looked more like that. A planned and calculated murder would have been done to have less NOT MORE public exposure.

    “they want to avoid a public spectacle as it has already become that. it makes sense there are live feeds from the court by the way that document everything that is said.”

    If by public spectacle you mean the occasional online article disseminating info only that the establishment has approved of being sufficiently anti Golden Dawn then yes. If they truly were guilty of the crimes listed, there would be virtually no problem having the entire thing broadcasted. And if I may ask, where can one find these live feeds? Where are they publicly viewable?

    “the baltkos video is not a smoking gun. don’t forget you and your allegedly despised ND were in cohorts with each other”

    Actually it was a matter of the few somewhat genuine nationalists in ND trying to form something of a coalition with us, not the other way around. And even if hypothetically Golden Dawn and ND were buddy buddy, that does not change the content of the message. Whatever the context, the Baltakos video stands as recorded proof of the political conspiracy against the popular association. But I suppose that too will be ignored by you with your disregard of the facts.

  15. your friend and official Golden Dawn policy says we should shoot the refugees out of the water. need a source or do you blindly look over this

    All Greek rebel groups were heroes. I don’t single anyone out. They were only the central opposition in central Greece not in Northern Greece and Crete and as you and I have alluded too, many of their members during this time were not communists and if they were so what. THEY WERE FIGHTING A FOREIGN INVADER

    The far right also was attacking rebel groups, such as the Nazi Collaborators aka Golden Dawn

    the messyness plays in your favor does it not? a more organized one would surely lead to the top. fortunately both ways will

    “THAT is what a hit looks like.” agree and it was VERY WRONG AND SHAMEFUL but 2 wrongs don’t make a right

    “Where are they publicly viewable?” twitter from court reporters inside. and in the history of cases in Greece and worldwide, how many are actually broadcasted live. almost none.

    ND is just a more grown up Golden Dawn. as for baltakos and kasidiaris – friends turning on each other for political gain. it’s fun watching animals eat each other. still not a smoking gun

  16. “nd I am not about to do it just to prove a point to you.” because there is no point to prove. you haven’t heard any of his songs and are thus lying about the content

  17. You wrote quote: “official Golden Dawn policy says we should shoot the refugees out of the water. need a source or do you blindly look over this.”
     
    ivas4, you are posting lies lies and more lies. Shame on you. IF IT EXISTS then please paste this fictional Golden Dawn policy directive to shoot refugees out of the water so we can read it for ourselves. I’m sure you’d jump at the chance to do so if such a policy actually existed. So come on, enlighten us ivas4.

    I’m betting you will find some excuse to wiggle out of pasting the policy directive for us to read. Lets see if I’m right.

  18. “your friend and official Golden Dawn policy says we should shoot the refugees out of the water. need a source or do you blindly look over this”

    Again, even if he did say this (which I highly doubt), a random person saying on the internet does not equate to official Golden Dawn policy. What is Official Golden Dawn policy is the expulsion of the illegals and utilizing the navy to stop further illegals and fight traffickers. Find me on the Golden Dawn website where they said they were going to shoot immigrants out of the water. I would love to see it. And keep in mind their plan to use the Navy is to combat the smugglers while forcing the illegals themselves to turn around. They are not saying to shoot the immigrants out of the water with naval guns if that is what you are referring to.

    “All Greek rebel groups were heroes. I don’t single anyone out. They were only the central opposition in central Greece not in Northern Greece and Crete and as you and I have alluded too, many of their members during this time were not communists and if they were so what. THEY WERE FIGHTING A FOREIGN INVADER”

    First off, I am glad you are at least owning up to the fact that the communists are your heroes after all. They were still easily majority communist and while I cannot comment about northern Greece as I haven’t studied it as much as central Greece and Crete, I pointed out in the other thread that even in Crete, the Communists once again became the majority and even eventually renamed themselves to EAM as well, same as in the mainland. And had they won they would have turned us all over to the control of a truly worse overlord. Unless life in the bankrupt USSR sounds appealing to you of course. You can delude yourself with the propaganda they push that they were Greece’s saviors all you want, but if they had their way, Greeks only then would truly know hell.

    “the messyness plays in your favor does it not? a more organized one would surely lead to the top. fortunately both ways will”

    No, it really does not. Telling yourself again and again that this not only was some sort of planned attack but that it was deliberately made to be intentionally messy and public is completely ludicrous. What do we have to gain from such a thing? To have a high profile attack that many people could see in broad daylight? That idiot Roupakias’s actions has set Golden Dawn back 2 years electorally at least and that will only end when the trial is over and we are vindicated.

    For the sake of argument, let us enter fantasy land for a bit and just assume that Golden Dawn was threatened by a (at the time) relatively obscure rapper and they truly did want him dead. All they would have to do is get one of the members to cover his face like an Antifa supporter or something and just kill the guy when he was alone. Or do a drive-by like what those terrorists did to 2 of our own members, with the only difference being not announcing it was us unlike that terrorist group and thus silence the rapper that was oh so threatening to us without ever risk getting caught.

    Ultimately, I brought up the murder of the 2 Golden Dawn members to prove the point that if we really were a criminal organization that orders its members to kill people in an organized manner, it would NOT be done in the way Roupakias committed the action.

    “twitter from court reporters inside. and in the history of cases in Greece and worldwide, how many are actually broadcasted live. almost none.”

    But earlier you said “there are live feeds from the court” but there really aren’t after all? And the words of media reporters who seem to have abandoned the principle of innocent until proven guilty and simply want to see us in prison regardless of our innocence is not of any interest to me. I am aware that things such as this exist. These are the people I previously mentioned as allowing only the info that interests them (that being anything remotely anti-Golden Dawn). Thus the fact remains that one cannot see the court case in its entirety and can only view what corrupt journalists allow them to see.

    “ND is just a more grown up Golden Dawn. as for baltakos and kasidiaris – friends turning on each other for political gain. it’s fun watching animals eat each other. still not a smoking gun”

    ND is a corrupt, politically inbred abomination of family dynasties. Golden Dawn is a genuine nationalist movement free from the old corruption. It is more accurate to say that ND is a more gown up ANEL as THAT group is the sham that spawned from former ND members. And you clearly don’t know much about Kasidiaris if you believe he was friends with that guy. The only reason they were talking to each other was because Baltakos HIMSELF wanted an alliance with Golden Dawn. The fact that Kasidiaris both recorded and released the previously mentioned video showed that he wasn’t truly interested in an alliance at all and wanted only to get the truth not only from a ND member but from one of Samara’s very own top men.

    And with that last sentence, it shows you are being faced with the truth and just covering your ears and screaming “NOPE DON’T BELIEVE IT.” If that is not a smoking gun, what the hell is? The only way it could possibly be more damning is if Samaras himself went on live TV and said “Yeah I ordered their political persecution because they were stealing votes from my party and I did not like that.” The fact that you are willing to ignore the confession of a high ranking New Democracy member shows that you have zero interest in the truth and want to see Golden Dawn in prison regardless of their innocence.

    I am always willing to talk to individuals with differing viewpoints. But if you are simply going to ignore facts, I do not at all see the point in further arguing with you, at least on this point. Ideas and reasoning can continue to be discussed but when there are cold hard facts (and in recorded form no less), there just is not anything to debate.

  19. “owning up to the fact that the communists are your heroes after all. ” you are a disgusting nazi putting words into my mouth. I have praised all resistance groups, primarily EDES and EOK, and yet you continue to post lies. I don’t care about political affiliation unlike you when someone is fighting a foreign invader

    “Crete, the Communists once again became the majority and even eventually renamed themselves to EAM as well” this is 100% FALSE. another lie posted by you. the largest resistance group by far in Crete was EOK. THIS IS NOT EVEN UP FOR DEBATE. WAY TO REVISE HISTORY ONCE AGAIN

    STILL NO COMMENTS ON THE NAZI COLLABORATOR ANCESTORS OF GOLDEN DAWN. you go on and on about attacking resistance groups, while revising history, based on perceived political affiliations of everyone in the group, yet ignore the treason commited by the ancestors of mihaloliakos kasidiaris and the rest of the Golden Dawn Nazis you praise.

    “What do we have to gain from such a thing?” to silence a public figure

    ” it would NOT be done” you aren’t the smartest of the bunch. your leaders and voters are primarily uneducated voters. nad here you got caught and continue to run a smear campaign and propoganda

    “genuine nationalist movement” a nazi movement by definition cannot be a GREEK nationalist movement

    i could care less about corrupt ND. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. and yes they were friends