New Video Document Related to Golden Dawn Trial (video)



diki2The mother of slain rapper Pavlos Fyssas on Tuesday told a court hearing the criminal trial of Golden Dawn that the order for the hit had come from Piraeus MP Yiannis Lagos, as a video came to light showing a senior GD official naming Lagos in reference to a possible attack.

Magda Fyssa claimed that Lagos was the one who gave the order for the murder of her son on September 18, 2013.

“Lagos gave the order. He gave the OK,” Fyssa said, referring to the fatal stabbing of Pavlos Fyssas by GD member Giorgos Roupakias. She added that Nikos Michaloliakos, the leader of the ultra-nationalist party was ultimately responsible.

Leaving the witness stand, Fyssa threw a plastic bottle of water at Roupakias, saying “So you remember me.” A member of the audience threatened the perpetrator saying, “You’d better hope you get life sentence.”

Meanwhile, a new video of unknown origin has appeared showing GD Nikaia branch leader Giorgos Patelis — who spoke on the telephone with Lagos on the night of Fyssas’s murder — telling a crowd of party supporters about an upcoming attack and referring to the Piraeus MP.

The video shows the way orders are given for upcoming attacks. Specifically, Patelis is telling the party supporters present to be on the standby for an attack at a fair on August 15. “Certain people will get a message on the 15th of the month… If I get the OK from Lagos. If I don’t, we don’t do it,” Patelis said about the planned attack. “Whatever they tell us, we must do it,” he says at another point.

At another point in the video, the branch leader is heard saying “a group of 20-30 people will leave from here fully loaded… nothing will be left standing, nothing! Anything that moves gets slaughtered.”

The video is not allowed in court at the present moment.

 


26 COMMENTS

  1. Yeah that’s great and all except that the murder of Fyssas (September 17) took place a full month and 2 days after whatever was planned here (video is referring to August 15!). Do not get me wrong here. It is not a video that looks good on Golden Dawn at all. In fact it is the closest they have now actually gotten to evidence against Golden Dawn itself. But even this is not proof of anything pertaining to Fyssas himself. It thus does not have any room in the court.

    As for Fyssas’s mother, why is no one in the media remarking on her inappropriate acts in court? As was pointed out in the last article with her, she is not actually providing anything of value to the court, she is just repeating what she has heard from other people. I will be the first to admit that I am ignorant on the specifics of Greek law, but I am 99% sure that what she is doing is not allowed. In America, this would unquestionably be considered hearsay and she would be thrown out.

    “Leaving the witness stand, Fyssa threw a plastic bottle of water at Roupakias, saying “So you remember me.” A member of the audience threatened the perpetrator saying, ‘You’d better hope you get life sentence.'”

    And how is this okay and promoted as a good thing? I agree that Roupakias is a scumbag but there is still such a thing as innocent until proven guilty. And attacking, even with a simple water bottle should alone also get her thrown out.

    If she was simply looking to get justice for her son, I would be sympathetic, even supportive of her. But in the overly dramatic and theatrical way she is acting for media attention against Golden Dawn, I can do nothing but look at her with contempt. She is exploiting her son’s death for a political goal and that is what is most despicable about her and her actions.

  2. The video, as it says in the article, is about a planned attack on immigrants, not Fysass. However, it also pertains to the organisation of Golden Dawn and coincidentally maybe, the same people Pantelis and Lagos spoke on the phone on the night of Fysass murder. I’m sure the timestamps on those calls willl reveal more.

  3. the case isn’t only about Fyssas. it’s about the entire nazi criminal organization

    Roupakias has already admitted to committing the crime so there is nothing to prove there.

    She wouldn’t be thrown out in America, just her testimony, assuming it doesn’t meet one of the several hearsay exemptions, would be thrown out.

    MOST IMPORTANTLY in Greece there are no hearsay rules

    how is her conduct inappropriate. SHE LOST HER SON. she can throw whatever she wants at Roupakias. any mother would react with anger upon seeing the murderer of her son

    Justice for her son includes making sure the criminal nazi organization and its current hitler praising leadership isn’t allowed to do this ever again. this is far more than just seeing through a political goal

    shame on you for calling her despicable like Golden Dawn did in the days after her son’s death

    another video to youtube: ΝΕΟ ΑΠΟΚΑΛΥΠΤΙΚΟ ΗΧΗΤΙΚΟ ΝΤΟΚΟΥΜΕΝΤΟ ΓΙΑ ΤΗ ΦΟΝΙΚΗ ΔΡΑΣΗ ΤΗΣ ΧΡΥΣΗΣ ΑΥΓΗΣ

    keep on drinking the Golden Dawn nazi propaganda

  4. “a new video of unknown origin

    Since they DON’T KNOW WHEN the video was made this video CAN’T HAVE any relation to the Fyssas case.

    “Certain people will get messages for the 15th of the month… if I get the OK from Lagos. If I don’t, we don’t do it,” Patelis can be heard saying in an apparent reference to a planned attack.
    So what? By the word “messages” Patelis could be referring to certain people being given POLITICAL messages. Is there any evidence that he isn’t? A person who is killed can’t receive a message can they? They are dead after all.

  5. In another point of the video, he makes it clear that if the hit goes ahead, “there’ll be nothing left standing, nothing.” “Anything that moves gets slaughtered.”

    The Kathimerini article titled: “Mother of slain rapper, video point to Golden Dawn MP” states that it is UNCLEAR WHEN the video was made. Since it’s unclear when the video was made there is NO WAY of proving that Patelis was talking about Pavlos Fyssas aka KILLAH P.

    On September 30, 2013 Greek PM Antonis Samaras gave a speech to the American Jewish Committee in New York, saying his government will do “whatever it takes” to completely eradicate the GD party.
    “Completely eradicate” Is that not the language of extermination?
    One month later, on November 1, 2013, Golden Dawn members Giorgos Fountoulis 27 and Manolis Kapelonis 22 were shot dead execution style outside the Neo Irakleio GD party office by Leftist terrorists. Police protection had been withdrawn from the Neo Irakleio GD party office a few hours before the terrorist attack.

  6. On September 30, 2013 Greek PM Antonis Samaras gave a speech to the American Jewish Committee in New York, saying his government will do “whatever it takes” to completely eradicate the GD party. 

    “whatever it takes” to completely eradicate!

    On November 1, 2013, GD members Giorgos Fountoulis 27 and Manolis Kapelonis 22 were shot dead outside the Neo Irakleio GD party office by Leftist terrorists. Police protection was withdrawn from the Neo Irakleio GD party office hours earlier.

    If the prosecution want to use the Patelis video which has unknown origins as proof of plans to commit violence against a Leftist rapper, then by the same token Samaras’ speech and withdrawal of police from GD’s Neo Irakleio office, could be considered evidence that the terrorist attack on GD was orchestrated at the highest levels of the Samaras government. This could help explain why nearly two years have passed without any arrests being made by police.

    There is already a secretly video recorded confession where Samaras’s own Chief of Staff Takis Baltakos states that Samaras illegally interfered in the judicial process, ordering the imprisonment of Golden Dawn MPs. These serious allegations point to Samaras being someone who is prepared to act radically outside the law to eradicate his political opponents! There is also an audio recording of Samaras ordering a judicial official to instruct Chief Prosecutor Isidoros Dogiakos to jail 3 Golden Dawn MP’s. Search on You Tube: “SN5812R2” 

  7. Two of the strongest “media hyped” cases against GD have already collapsed, so you can imagine how the rest will go.

    I’m referring specifically to the acquittal of GD MP Barbarousis, concerning the case of the smashing of unlicensed stalls operated by illegal immigrants at the market of Messolonghi, and the acquittal of GD MP Ilias Kasidiaris for the Kanelli slap.

    The prosecution ranted on and on about the video evidence pointng to Golden Dawn’s guilt in both of these cases but in the end GD was aqcuitted and vindicated in both cases!

  8. Labelling Golden Dawn a “criminal organization” is just your opinion, THE COURT HAS NOT REACHED A VERDICT, and the law demands that Golden Dawn be considered innocent unless proven guilty.

    Propaganda is spread by the main TV channels and radio channels in Greece all of which are united in ceaselessly condemning Golden Dawn. This anti-GD propaganda has been poured into the homes of all Greeks via their TV sets and radios and has CLEARLY SUCCEEDED IN BRAINWASHING YOU.

  9. When will you understand the fact about this video? NOBODY has said it is about Fysass. It says in the article, it is about a planned attack on immigrants. The link is that Pantelis and Lagos called each other on the night Pavlos was killed. Tmestamps will show at what time that was but that has not been revealed to us for now. You cannot seriously still believe they are talking about a “political message” ?

    “Certain people will get a message on the 15th of the month… If I get the OK from Lagos. If I don’t, we don’t do it,” Patelis said about the planned attack. “Whatever they tell us, we must do it,” he says at another point.

    At another point in the video, the branch leader is heard saying “a group of 20-30 people will leave from here fully loaded… nothing will be left standing, nothing! Anything that moves gets slaughtered.”

    A political message? Really?

    As the commentator Ivas4 said “the case isn’t only about Fyssas. it’s about the entire nazi criminal organization”

  10. NO-ONE is saying this is about FYSASS!!!! Please re-read the article or read the replies to you!!

  11. It is defies logic to suggest that GD MP Yiannis Lagos would order Pavlos Fyssas aka KILLAH P to be killed in the presence of an entire squad of police officers.

  12. The Treaty of Palermo (which Greece has ratified) states that in order to establish the offense of running a criminal organization, the accused must have financial benefit from the criminal activity.

    The Greek Financial and Economic Crime Unit (SDOE) investigated Golden Dawn’s party finances as well as MPs personal finances and found no evidence of wrongdoing.

    Judge Nikos Salatas who served on a 3 judge panel tasked with deciding whether GD should go to trial, came to the conclusion that in accordance with the Treaty of Palermo, there was no basis for charging Golden Dawn with being a criminal organization, and voted against proceeding to trial.

  13. As I have stated AND the article says, THIS VIDEO IS NOT ABOUT PAVLOS FYSASS!!!!! What is it that you don’t understand?

    I realise you’re a huge fan of Golden Dawn but your response to anything negative against them is getting quite absurd; including choosing not to read the actual articles or comments.

  14. Below excerpt is from the Wall Street Journal article titled: “Greece Struggles to Outlaw Its Golden Dawn Fascist Party”

    After the killing, the police began phone taps on Golden Dawn. Some calls suggest disorganization. In one exchange, Mr. Lagos chews out an underling who exaggerates the size of the victim’s group to make the fight sound fairer. “Giorgos, tell me the truth so I don’t f— you, because I’m going crazy here,” Mr. Lagos says on the call, according to transcripts filed in court.

    Tell me twopenceworth, in that phone recording, does Yiannis Lagos sound like a man who ordered a hit and was in control, OR does he sound like a man who is trying to figure out what the facts are and what the hell happened?

    It is crystal clear from the phone recording that far from having ordered a squad of GD supporters to attack Fyssas, Lagos has no idea what is going on and is angrily demanding that Giorgos Patelis tell him the truth!

  15. “Certain people will get a message on the 15th of the month… If I get the OK from Lagos. If I don’t, we don’t do it,” Patelis said

    Patelis is clearly referring to August 15 which is the day of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary, he even mentions Panagia in the video. There is no allegation in the case against Golden Dawn that illegal immigrants were attacked by GD supporters on August 15. https://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/08/14/customs-and-traditions-of-assumption-day-august15-across-greece/
    If we are to believe your allegation that Patelis planned to attack illegal immigrants, the fact that no attack took place on August 15 would only demonstrate that Lagos opposed any attack on illegal immigrants and prevented one from happening.

  16. I know what the trial is about but the way that it is being presented in articles like this and the media as a whole implies that this was a video that led to Fyssas’s death.

    We know Roupakias committed the crime, no one is questioning that. What is being debated now is whether the entirety of Golden Dawn is responsible for the actions of one man.

    It was a bit of an exaggeration to say that she would be thrown out entirely true but yes as you said (and what I intended to mean) was that the testimony itself would be thrown out.

    Can you source that? I sincerely doubt that Greece doesn’t have either a hearsay law or some variant/version of it. If it didn’t, people would be much more able to make things up and say it was really their cousin George who by coincidence was unable to be at the trial that said it.

    I will inform you that a court of law is a place of rationality and fairness. It is not a place for irrational outbursts and especially not violence. As I said, Roupakias is a reprehensible person for what he did but he and everyone else in the courtroom is still entitled to be treated with rationality and safety. No matter how heinous the crime and the criminal, acts such as the ones Fyssas’s mother committed are unacceptable and only serve to detract from the goal of justice.

    The part of the trial that pertains to Fyssas’s mother is the murder of her son by Roupakias, the other parts are not her business.

    I will call her despicable because that is what she is. As I said, if she was merely seeking justice for her son, I would be sympathetic to her. But she has decided to turn the trial of her son’s death into a political opportunity. By doing so, she is essentially making herself a public (even arguably political) figure. And if she wants to be involved in politics fine but she has to accept the consequences that come with that, including criticism of her motivations and actions. Her being a mother of a victim does not make her immune to any of this.

  17. Golden Dawn is not the organization running non stop lies and slander. They are not the ones dominating the media and controlling the narrative regardless of the actual truth. The supporters of Golden Dawn have done so by their own choice, without the misinformation or even bribery that the other parties employ. So to answer your question, no.

  18. “The video, as it says in the article, is about a planned attack on immigrants, not Fysass. ”

    The article itself (and the video for that matter) made no mention of immigrants or any specific target at all. Double check if you don’t believe me. This, as well as several other websites, have posted this video alongside the story of Magda Fyssas’s water bottle throwing antics, in effect implying that the video is somehow connect to Fyssas’s death.

    “However, it also pertains to the organisation of Golden Dawn”

    While not completely dismissible, it still is a stretch and at best only goes into the organization of one branch. And even then, this does nothing to prove Golden Dawn as a criminal organization.

    “coincidentally maybe, the same people Pantelis and Lagos spoke on the phone on the night of Fysass murder. I’m sure the timestamps on those calls willl reveal more.”

    “Maybe” and “I’m sure” being the key words. As we said last time in the other article, that is naught but speculation.

  19. Who has the power to brainwash? Golden Dawn with its website and a small newspaper that sells at best a few thousand copies per week across Greece, OR the mainstream TV & entertainment media in Greece, and main radio stations, that are united in their relentless condemnation of Golden Dawn?

    The fact is Golden Dawn lacks the power to brainwash, it lacks any influence in the media, and is the only political party to be deprived of state funding.

    People who support Golden Dawn actually had to go to the effort of doing their own research on them on the internet, or by going into their local GD party office and listening to what they have to say, rather than being lazy like you, and accepting the tirade of media propaganda attacking Golden Dawn.

  20. Every indications show that it is all about the establishment having their power structure threatened by the rise of Golden Dawn and doing everything they could to eliminate that threat.

  21. In all the time that i’ve seen your comments on Greek reporter I don’t recall having seen one comment from you condemning the vicious murders of two young GD members Giorgos Fountoulis, & Manolis Kapelonis, by Leftist terrorists just 1 month after Fyssas died. But on many Greek reporter articles about Fyssas, there will be NUMEROUS comments posted by you attacking GD. HYPOCRITE. YOU CARE NOTHING about victims of violence, you simply want to see a party whose ideology you oppose get banned. I doubt you’ll get your wish.

  22. All your comments over a long time on Greek reporter are vehemently anti-GD. You have a pathological hatred of GD and never accept any logic, or facts which show allegations against GD to be lies or exaggerated, or that GD MPs and GD as a party is a victim of politically orchestrated persecution, as testified by former PM Samaras’ Chief of Staff Baltakos. https://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/04/03/tsipras-wants-ministers-out-over-baltakos-affair/

    You point to the Pantelis video as being proof of GD planning violent attacks BUT I’VE NEVER SEEN A COMMENT FROM YOU saying that the Baltakos video is proof of a politically orchestrated persecution of GD. MASSIVE HYPOCRISY!

  23. As if you haven’t been brainwashed by the mainstream media. The mainstream media will always serve their establishment masters with their agenda to destroy Golden Dawn.

  24. This article says nothing of immigrants. The whole case is about the establishment trying to obliterate Golden Dawn who are threatening their power structures.

    I realise you are an ardent supporter of the establishment, but your attempts at rationalising your masters’ dirty tricks are getting frankly absurd, especially when you are citing a video recording that has nothing to do with attacking immigrants.

  25. Speaking of videos, when will the allegations made by Takis Baltakos in the infamous Baltakos video be investigated. A council of Greek judges on Friday cleared Golden Dawn spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris of any charges in a case involving the recording of a conversation with Panayiotis Baltakos, a close aide to former premier Antonis Samaras.

    The council accepted a proposal by appeals court prosecutor Antonis Liogas who maintained that Kasidiaris should not face trial on privacy violation charges as according to the prosecutor, the door of Baltakos’s office had been open during his conversation with Kasidiaris and that the content of the conversation related to a matter of public interest with no reference being made to any personal issues. 

    During the taped conversation, which was made public by Kasidiaris last spring, Baltakos can be heard telling the GD spokesman that the key aim of a crackdown on Golden Dawn was to stop the party drawing support from New Democracy.